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May 3, 2022

Supporting Individual Success Through Community

Supporting Individual Success Through Community

Student retention and graduation rates are common concerns in higher education. How do we improve the experiences of students, therefore increasing their future successes in life? 

In this episode, Dr. Larry Johnson, College President at Guttman Community College CUNY, walks us through the unique model of Guttman Community College and how building a learning community brings successful outcomes to students. 

We discuss:

  • How to achieve higher graduation rates
  • How community builds a stronger learning environment
  • How to pivot when students are struggling 

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:07.280 You are listening to the Higher Ed Marketer, a podcast geared towards marketing professionals 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.960 in higher education. This show will tackle all sorts of questions related to student 3 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:16.800 recruitment, dontor relations, marketing trends, new technologies and so much more. 4 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.960 If you are looking for conversations centered around where the industry is going, this 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:29.000 podcast is for you. Let's get into the show. Welcome to the High 6 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:33.039 Red Marketer podcast. I'm choice singer along with Bart Taylor, where each week 7 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:37.320 we interview higher Ed marketers that we admire for the benefit and the betterment of 8 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:43.320 the entire high red community. Today we are going to highlight Gutman Community College 9 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:47.640 in New York City by talking to their president, Dr Larry Johnson, and 10 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:53.079 one of the things that attracted us to this school is they achieve a thirty 11 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:58.960 to forty percent graduation rate within a community college setting, and the way they 12 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:03.240 do it is very unique and very dynamic. Yeah, it's great and just 13 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.400 for context, if not everybody understands it, community colleges historically are kind of 14 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.920 in the teens, if not in the single digits, on graduation rates. 15 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.280 It's not uncommon and you think about traditional four years anywhere between, you know, 16 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.200 fifty to seventy percent, maybe a little bit higher on some schools, 17 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:22.120 but it's a pretty outstanding thing, especially for a community college, to achieve 18 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:25.000 for thirty to forty percent. And I think a lot of what he talks 19 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:29.239 about is is different ways that they do that and and I think the way 20 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.760 that they eve and talk about themselves in the marketing that they do is a 21 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.400 part of that, and so pay attention to that. It's a really good 22 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:40.879 conversation, even though we're talking about community colleges. I think once you listen 23 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.000 to this, there are a lot of things that you can take away and 24 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:48.959 implement at any school. That's right. That's right. Here's our conversation with 25 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:56.159 Dr Larry Johnson. It's my pleasure to welcome Dr Larry Johnson, President of 26 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.079 Gutman Community College, to the hired Marketer podcast. Dr Johnson, I'm so 27 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:07.640 excited to let everyone know about the dynamic nature and business model of Gutman Community 28 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.599 College. Before we do that, if you can give us a little bit 29 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:15.479 about your background and who you are. Absolutely, Troy. Thank you so 30 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.919 much. I'm glad to be here with you and barked again. I'm Dr 31 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.879 Larry Johnson, after pleasure of certain as a second president of the stealing Charles 32 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.280 Government Community College. I began my career almost twenty years ago as a faculty 33 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.479 member teaching English and Literature, but a background and medieval to aaroke studies graduated 34 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:38.439 from Florida in University and Tallahassee Florida with an English literature degree and from Florida 35 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:43.439 State University. Would a medival to a row studies degree in the focus on 36 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.000 those time peers. And then Clark Land and university, what a doctor degree 37 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:53.240 that really focuses on Africana women literature, and that is began my career in 38 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:58.199 higher education, truly understanding the role of higher education and impact in their lives 39 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.039 of so many young people in special our young men of color. Thank you 40 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:07.080 very much, and we're here to talk about the success of Goutman and would 41 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:12.280 love to talk to you about how the school achieves the thirty to forty percent 42 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.719 graduation rate that it does. Before we get into the meat of it, 43 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.000 though, can you give us a background and how Godman was created? What 44 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.919 was the idea behind the school? Absolutely, that is such a great question. 45 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:29.599 So the vision of government community college was really formed around two thousand and 46 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:35.240 eight when, at their time, Community Chancellor Matthew ghosting charged a team of 47 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:40.479 understanding really what was happening in higher landscape around graduation and completion. So the 48 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:46.000 formation of government during this time the inshipts, he was to dramatically increase graduation 49 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.520 race. And at the time graduations rates were a little under thirty percent in 50 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:53.439 the state of New York and probably in other areas a little on the twenty 51 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.680 percent. So as we begin to really think about it, they began to 52 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.319 think about at that time how do we solve the problem of increasing graduation rates 53 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.439 for that student that is the first time in college student, and that became 54 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:09.879 really the impetus in the focus on how do you get those students into the 55 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.360 college and a model that is where there in roll full time and ready them 56 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.839 for transition to a four year college and university, and that became one of 57 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:24.120 the high impact practices from looking at all of the other community colleges locally and 58 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:28.920 abroad to really see what are the practices that are needed in order to help 59 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.680 the college to be success. US for in that became what we call our 60 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.439 first year experience. As I'll talk about a little later. That's great. 61 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:40.920 And if I understand correctly that you've got a unique relationship with City University, 62 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.519 tell us a little bit about that and how that kind of helped establish this 63 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.160 absolute so you's so demand. Community college is one of the newest community colleges 64 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.639 in the City University of New York. Are also quney. So we are 65 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:59.279 in that system of twenty five institutions. There are maybe seven community colleges. 66 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.839 We make the seve in community colleges and a number of professional schools and a 67 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:08.480 number of senior and comprehensive colleges. So we fit within this ecosystem to serve 68 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:13.519 the community prepare students to complete their associate's degree so that they can transition to 69 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:17.800 four year colleges and universities or directly into the workforce. But we do that 70 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:23.480 a little bit more unique than what you may have traditionally heard of as community 71 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.680 college. And what is the demographic of the students that you serve at got 72 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:32.079 many, absolutely a great question for our our students are fifty five percent of 73 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:39.160 our students identify Latin xt we are federally designated as a Hispanic serving institution, 74 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.800 but also a minority serving institution. So fifty five percent Latin xt but we 75 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:48.079 have a large percentage of our students who identify as African American or African and 76 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.759 we have a number of students who are also Asian American as well. So 77 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:57.920 about ninety percent of our students are from diverse backgrounds, which help us to 78 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.360 also have that designation as a a nor deserving institution. Larry, something that 79 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:09.160 intrigued Barton I is the one three thousand to forty percent graduation rate that you're 80 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:15.319 achieving within the community college community, and I'm sure other community college leaders will 81 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:20.279 lean in and wonder how you are achieving that. And you've shared with us 82 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:26.480 a little bit of what is a cohort model. So would like to unpack 83 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.160 how this works. What is the model and how it may differ from a 84 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:35.560 traditional community college experience? Awesome. That is a great question, Troy. 85 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:41.360 So the Gutman model begins with a student going through what we call an informational 86 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.759 so when students express interest in Goutment Community College, they are invited to come 87 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:49.160 to a group informational session where they learn about what it means to be a 88 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:54.240 Gutman Grizzly, which is the Grizzly is our mascot. But what is unique 89 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.600 about the experiences that the first year experience for our students is where they enter 90 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.639 into the college as a cohort and as you look at best practices, we 91 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.360 know the students who remain in a coal horde there's a likelihood that they would 92 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:10.360 be successful. They're moving along together. They have that opportunity to engage. 93 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.040 So the very first year the students do not have the option of choosing their 94 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.920 courses. The college chooses the courses for the students. They remain together in 95 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:23.279 a house structure. In this House structure, just about twenty five the thirty 96 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.279 students in a house structure. Those students are also provided a Swedish support services. 97 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:32.199 Were Faculty and staff and also what we call student success advocates meet with 98 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:38.600 each other throughout the week in a learning community for fashion, to really understand 99 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.720 what our student struggling with. How did they need to pubet in any type 100 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:45.519 of way to insure that those students are successful. So that has really become 101 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:49.199 the model of success that has helped students in two to three years, graduate 102 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:55.040 and the college you reach still successes of about forty percent of graduation rates. 103 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:59.160 That's great and I found that I used to do some work with Lumina Foundation 104 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.879 and I know that they had supported with some grants various organizations, and I'm 105 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.680 sure the gates has done as well, but I remember the posse foundation just 106 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:09.839 out of my memory and there was a lot of a lot that similarity. 107 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.639 That that just this ide of cohort and modeling and I think that we all 108 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:20.199 know that, you know, we as humans are drawn to community and especially 109 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.639 in times when we're a little bit, you know, not sure of what 110 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:26.160 we're getting into. I think this is just such a brilliant way to kind 111 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:33.360 of assure the success of these students, especially students who might be first generation 112 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.200 students, maybe they don't have experience, maybe they're, you know, relying 113 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.200 a lot more on pel grant type of options and really being able to provide 114 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.200 them a community of people that can help them see their successes. And I'm 115 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:48.879 guessing that's kind of part of that. And don't want to call that secret 116 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:50.360 sauce, but that has to be a little bit of what what's really added 117 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.559 to your success? Is that true? That is true in one of the 118 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.039 I would say secret sauces, if you will, to use your language. 119 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.600 There is the elw course. So within the first year experience there's a course 120 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.519 that's called the ethnographs of work. Every student is enrolled in that course and 121 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:11.399 that is what provides the students the experiential learning opportunity. Those students are placed 122 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.159 in internships where they're beginning to think about their careers and we ensured that every 123 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:22.000 student has an opportunity to really begin to think beyond the government experience. But 124 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.960 where is it that they want to go? What is their end result? 125 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.600 And that has been a course that is really help students to really carve out 126 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.399 and to firm up those ideas around what does career look like for me in 127 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.000 the future? And that has been a popular course. That has really been 128 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.879 more I would say, one of the foundations of our model. That's great. 129 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.840 So that kind of leads us to our next part of the conversation, 130 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.639 is just kind of talking about outcomes. I know that with with Gotman, 131 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.600 you know thirty to forty percentage and outstanding outcome in and of itself, but 132 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.159 we're not talking about just moving students through the gotment experience. Were really committed 133 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.960 to seeing their success in life. Tell me about some of those outcome stories 134 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.679 and how that fits in with your mission in your vision. Awesome. So 135 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.360 government community college has provided and experience that I would almost so say this and 136 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.360 more entrepreneurial in terms of helping students to really think about not just the academic 137 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.759 curriculum, not just the pathways, but really it's a holistic development of the 138 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.120 student. So I met with a student, for example, that is graduated 139 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:24.639 from the college, Finishes Liberal Arts degree, moved on to a four year 140 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.799 college university, but he discovered that he wanted to be an entrepreneur and what 141 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:33.240 he credits is that he met with faculty and staff but most importantly, it 142 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:37.840 was the ethnographies of work course where we play students out in the ecosystem in 143 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.759 New York City, in Manhattan, in these different experiences and he began to 144 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.759 really understand. Yes, certainly the associate's degree in the baccaloriate degree is is 145 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.919 something that he would like to attain, but he discovered that there are entrepreneurial 146 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:56.440 skills that led him to open up his own coffee shop that is now growing 147 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.639 and he's expanding throughout New York City. So that is the Gutman experience. 148 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:07.519 So the goutment experience ensures that students have an opportunity to go through that exploration 149 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:09.799 phase and that is why, again, we have the ADNOGRAPHIES of work. 150 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.120 So when students are placed in those internships, their meeting other executives, they 151 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:20.000 can begin to really see themselves differently and they have a different experience than maybe 152 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.960 other community college students would have that are not this model, is not something 153 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.360 that is akin to them. Yeah, that sounds that sounds great, because 154 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:35.919 I think that there is this misunderstanding or maybe unjustly, a stereotype of community 155 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.600 colleges that it seems to me like government is really trying to break that mold 156 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.039 and recognize that, you know, this is a part of a part of 157 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.799 the community and a part of the education journey for so many different types of 158 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.840 students. Absolutely, and as we think about the experience for the student, 159 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:56.320 we have traditionally serve students who are we and this is very important, seventeen 160 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.679 and eighteen year old, the very traditional age students. Remember earlier, I 161 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:05.519 mean that our goal was to gradually and dramatically increase graduation rate for the first 162 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.159 time in college students. But as we begin to look to the future, 163 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.159 we also know that there are adult students there what we call disconnect. That 164 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.600 you too also needs government and this government experience and we'll beginning to think about 165 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:22.039 what do those workforce programs that can support those students? What could those certificate 166 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.960 programs be that we can create in partnership with community based organizations that could also 167 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.960 support that student population as well. So I just see the beauty and the 168 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.159 TAP Istry of now weaving in a traditional age student, as we know of 169 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.480 tradition, other traditional community colleges and the older student into synergy that will come 170 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.720 out of those type of relationships. I think that's great and I think that 171 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:46.559 goes back a little bit to your example in the story of the the young 172 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.759 man who was with the coffee shops and the entrepreneurs. It was because he 173 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:56.639 had a multigenerational experience with faculty and staff that kind of opened his eyes up 174 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.240 to some additional things. Imagine what that can be when you have the different 175 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.320 cohorts of younger and, you know, adult students doing this together. I 176 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.960 really think that could really add to the richness of what you said, the 177 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.039 tapestry of the institution. So Bravo. That's very exciting to hear all of 178 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.080 that now. Thank you. Thank you, and you know, I credited 179 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.879 to our our faculty, our staff, all of the great work that they 180 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.320 have led over the last nine years. They are really the real champions in 181 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:30.759 terms of how our students have really been able to get into this ecosystem and 182 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.559 do well. I mean, you don't know and you don't oftentimes hear of 183 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.960 community college students being full time. So this is something new, is the 184 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.919 innovative, but we are also seeing to prove in success record and we want 185 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.480 to continue this model and to continue to expand it to support students success. 186 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:52.039 That's great. Dr Johnson, we've, I think, highlighted Gutman, and 187 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.399 love what you've shared with us and I love your energy, I love your 188 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.000 passion and I'm sure that you are a wonderful servant leader there on campus. 189 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.320 If I may ask, is are there any other points or highlights that you 190 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:09.159 would like to mention on the podcast before we bring the podcast? To a 191 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:13.919 close? Absolutely so. Again, thank you so much, Troy and Bart 192 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.320 for the the experience and being here. You know, and you mentioned servant 193 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.879 leader, and that is a that is current really who I am, the 194 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.159 work that I do every day is really about improving a lives of our students, 195 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.000 and I like to call our sometimes a characterize it as it's the least 196 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:33.080 of these. And how can I be very intentional and lead from an equity 197 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:39.320 minded perspective, and that is what I am looking to do at Gutman Community 198 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.320 College to ensure that, as we look at all of our processes, which 199 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.320 I think is critically important right nowadays, as we've looked at the reckonings of 200 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.720 everything that has happened over the last two and a half years, we as 201 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.120 leaders have to be very intentional to ensure that no student is left behind. 202 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.399 It that we are being able to be very courageous and the initiatives in the 203 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.559 different aspectives were of our students show up and allow them to be the authentic 204 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.200 sales and day and we meet them where they are to help to take them 205 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:09.039 where we know that they can be. Thank you very much. I'm sure 206 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.679 that there will be others inspired by this conversation like Bart and I are for 207 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.320 those who would like to reach out and connect with you. What would be 208 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.799 the best way for them to do so? Absolutely so. I believe in 209 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.240 the digital age, so certainly what that will load to stay into contact with 210 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:31.399 me, can follow me on Instagram, at I would say, is Gutman 211 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:37.600 prayers and that sguttm May in PR Z Gutman praised, and that's Instagram, 212 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.559 that's facebook, and on twitter is Gutman's press CC. Thank you, Dr 213 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:50.159 Larry Johnson. We appreciate your time that you've given us and I'm sure that 214 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:56.440 you've inspired others and given others a lot to think about. Bart do you 215 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.200 have any last thoughts before we wrap up the episode? Yeah, I'm really 216 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.600 grateful for Larry being on the call today and then on the podcast. I 217 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.639 think that he brings up some things and I think sometimes, as highed marketers, 218 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.360 whether you're in the community college or whether you're in more of a traditional 219 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:18.879 college or university, sometimes we forget about those extra touches that I might take 220 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:23.080 for students to be able to see success. A lot of what Dr Johnson 221 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:29.159 shared today reminds me of some conversations that we had when Nathan Simpson from the 222 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.919 Gates Foundation was on the on the podcast a few months ago, and actually 223 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:36.399 nate introduced us to Larry and so I'm grateful for him on that. But 224 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:40.759 the idea that we work so hard, sometimes as highered marketers, to get 225 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.320 students into the door and then we kind of feel like, okay, our 226 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.080 jobs done. You know, they they're in there, they should succeed now, 227 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:51.840 because that's that's what happens, is student shows up on campus or shows 228 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.240 up on class and they should just succeed. But I think what I really 229 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.120 like about the gunman model is that we don't take that for granted, and 230 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.679 I don't think any school can afford to take that for granted. We have 231 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:07.480 to put programs, communications, even marketing, if you would say it that 232 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.599 way, in place to see that student success all all the way through to 233 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.480 the next point of where they need to be, whether it's graduation from your 234 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.680 institution or kind of those first destinations afterwards, if they're going to be going 235 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.200 to, you know, a four year degree after an associatesor your if they're 236 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.319 going to be going to a job or military service or graduate school, whatever 237 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.440 those next destinations are. We want to help prepare them to get that first 238 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.160 choice that they have and to see that succeed. And so I really like 239 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:40.359 the idea and I really would challenge our listeners on your institution and your campus. 240 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:44.039 How can you start putting things in place, whether it's community based, 241 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.559 you cohorts, kind of like what Gutman is doing, or if it's just 242 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.519 ways that you're communicating with the students making sure that you really pay attention to 243 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:56.160 what their needs are for their success. Thank you, Bart, what a 244 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.039 wonderful thought. The close are episode on the hired record, a podcast is 245 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:06.720 sponsored by Kaylor solutions and education marketing and branding agency and by thing patented, 246 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:11.359 a marketing, execution, printing and mailing provider of Higher Ed Solutions. 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